ISLAMABAD:
‘The News’ investigative journalist Umer Cheema has said that no
intelligence agency in Pakistan, including the ISI, MI and IB, had any
law to govern their working.
Talking to Kamran Khan in
‘Aaj Kamran Khan Kay Sath’ show on Tuesday, Cheema said these
intelligence agencies worked under the standard operating procedure due
to which their work carried no legal value.
He said the
Saleem Shahzad Commission report had also talked about intelligence
reforms. He said even Bosnia had a law to govern the working of
intelligence agencies.
He said a number of Central Asia
states, which broke away from Russia, had suffered a lot at the hands of
intelligence agencies and the first thing these states did after
independence was that they introduced reforms for their intelligence
agencies.
He said when Dr. Shoaib Suddle was DG
Intelligence Bureau, he had made a law to govern the working of the
agency but he was removed before he could present it to the government
for presentation in Parliament.
He said the good omen for a
county was that its rulers learn a lesson from their mistakes but
unfortunately here in Pakistan we commit mistakes and repeat them. He
said not even a single example existed in the United States where its
premier intelligence agency CIA had ever kidnapped, attacked or killed a
journalist.
Cheema mentioned the case of American
computer professional and former employee of the CIA Edward Joseph
Snowden. He said when Snowden was in the US he was not afraid of being
abducted by the CIA and killed and dumped on the roadside rather he
feared the US law.
He said one could imagine the
consequences if someone in Pakistan had blown the whistle on the
Inter-Services Intelligence or Military Intelligence (MI).Agreeing to
Kamran Khan, Cheema said the CIA faced the allegation of killing
President John F. Kennedy but there was not as much fuss and hue and cry
from the intelligence agency against the accusation as was being
witnessed in Pakistan these days.
He said a murder attempt
had been made on senior journalist Hamid Mir and the channel pointed a
finger at the ISI director general in the light of the attacked
journalist’s statement that if something terrible happened to his life
then the responsibility would lie with the agency. He said it was just
an allegation but the security institutions were not ready to face it.
To
a question, Cheema said that he was attacked in September 2010 after
which he talked of ‘intelligence reforms’ and wrote many articles about
it. “I did not talk of revenge and wanted to become part of the
solution. Let’s find a solution to this problem. I also put blame on the
ISI for beating me up. This should not happen to anyone,” Cheema said.
He
further said, “Year 2014 has come. Mistakes can be made by anybody.
Being a patriotic Pakistani, I think of the future of this country and
am perturbed by it. We invest confidence over others but not in the
Parliament. Whenever we see corruption, we expose it.”
To a
question by Kamran Khan, Umer Cheema said that the ongoing talk on Geo
was not of a single institution but of one personality. “We respect the
ISI chief, but Hamid Mir is no lesser in status. He is a star anchor and
has been attacked. He feels unsafe in his own country. He is afraid of
those who are to save him, which for me as a Pakistani, is a shame,” he
said, adding that a “Gentleman Agreement” was essential, and if not so,
there should be legal limits for all.
To another question,
Cheema said that the procedure for overall coverage should be changed.
“Either we should not have aired the bakery-affair of Sharif family, or
we should not have aired the picture of General Pasha with reference to
Raymond Davis case? Moreover we should not have telecast the picture of
DG IB when Benazir Bhutto was assassinated? Law should be equal for
all,” he said.
Umar Cheema added that Hamid Mir had come
to many people before this incident took place, and whatever he
discussed was aired. He noted that the news with reference to ISI chief
was aired and it is essential to present the picture of the person in
question, which is a new phenomenon of electronic media. He further said
that we were not mentally prepared for this new phenomenon in
electronic media which had led to prejudice or obscurity. He said that
when clarification came from DG ISPR, no one objected upon the airing of
the picture of the DG. “Neither ISPR, nor ISI complained for
telecasting his picture,” he clarified.
Responding to
another query, journalist Umer Cheema said that back in 2010, his case
was highlighted by the then opposition leader Chaudhry Nisar. “At that
time Mian Nawaz Sharif also said that the ISI was involved in the case
of Umer Cheema,” he said. Moreover, he said that at a certain stage,
Chaudhry Nisar also demanded for the resignation of General Pasha, which
led Cheema to question if law was not applicable in this case.
In
response to a query, Cheema said that Chaudhry Nisar should clarify
whether he was wrong then or right.In reply to a question, Umer Cheema
said that the government’s spokesman Pervaiz Rashid had said many things
between the lines. He said that those groups, who talked with
arguments, were standing together with the government and civil society.
He said that this statement was different from that of Chaudhry Nisar.
“Perhaps the office of Chaudhry Sahib has some requirements, or he is
playing the role of a fire fighter which he wants to retain,” Cheema
said.
To a query, Cheema said that we knew only to rule
over the ignorant. “We talk of only those things which the people want
to listen to. If we turned to a different talk, they will call you a
‘traitor’. There is a dearth of media’s overall training. We should also
enforce relevant code of conduct,” he added.
Umar Cheema,
responding to a question, said that his opinion was not necessarily the
prefect one. He added that everyone had his own opinion about a thing
or two. He noted that if it could be highlighted that someone was being
blamed then also Hamid Mir was not an ordinary man; he held a
respectable status in journalism, and if his family said that they had
his recorded statement, this was a newsworthy thing. However, he said
that some people might not conform to this opinion, but he opined that a
meeting should be held to decide whether or not this opinion be
revisited, as there is always a room for improvement.
Speaking
on the show, Editor Investigations ‘The News’ Ansar Abbasi, to a
question Kamran Khan about his demand that the ISI chief should step
down after the attack on Hamid Mir, said he had said that it was a
serious allegation raised by Hamid Mir and his brother Amir Mir pointing
a finger at the DG ISI. He said this allegation caused bashing of the
institution and he thought that institution should be protected as
individuals do not matter.
He said if he were in place of
the DG ISI, he would have stepped down so that allegation is not made on
the ISI and the institution is not bashed worldwide. He said many
people including Mir’s brother shared his opinion.
Asked
why he did not advocate going to court to prove the allegations, Abbasi
said this matter is not about allegations and indictment. He said he is
talking about respect of the institution as the whole world is bashing
the ISI now. He said if the allegations are proved, it will be a matter
of shame for the country. He said he wants to protect the ISI from
bashing.
Kamran Khan pointed out that allegations were
also levelled against Nawaz Shaif and Iftikhar Chaudhry but none of them
left the office.Abbasi said what he had said was his opinion and not
that of Geo TV. He said if his opinion is in violation of the
Constitution, it should be taken to the court of law.
Kamran
Khan again pointed to Arslan Iftikhar case and the fact that they did
not at that time demanded that Iftikhar Chaudhry should leave
office.Abbasi said Malik Riaz had told him that he had evidence against
Arslan but he did not have any evidence against the then chief justice.
He questioned if a son did something wrong, should the father be
punished?
He said Hamid Mir is not an ordinary person. He
said Hamid Mir had shared these allegations with many persons, so what
should we do now? He said wrongly or rightly, Mir had shared his
apprehensions with top management of Geo TV.
He said
things should not be twisted. He repeated that DG ISI is not more
important as an individual than the institution. He said he thinks that
if you remove the DG, you save the institution of the ISI. He said it is
his viewpoint which can be rejected.
He explained that
this is not the opinion of his organisation. He said he often speaks
against his organisation so when he is doing so, how can it be opinion
of his organisation.
Kamran Khan questioned how things
will be settled when the Defence Ministry has accessed the Pemra against
Geo TV, and the Interior Ministry also disliked the coverage.
Ansar
Abbasi said there should be a fair deal as he is a man of rule of law.
He said he only called for a fair deal but his comments were stretched
beyond limits. He said, “Leave me. I am a traitor. Every body in Jang
Group is a ‘traitor’. We all should be given medals for being traitor.”
He
said those levelling allegations against them should monitor their
activities. He said totally free media is a dangerous thing. He said had
Pemra been doing right things, it should have called Geo TV to restrict
if any red line was being crossed. He said Pemra has asked the media to
show restrain at the time of Chehlum tragedy in Rawalpindi because
there was a risk of violence in the country.
He said why
Pemra and the government were sleeping at the time of transmission of
Hamid Mir attack. He questioned why Pemra did not make a phone call to
mention that Hamid Mir’s allegations are wrong and these pictures should
not be aired on the media. He said he has objections to the working of
Pemra which took no notice of abuse of the former chief justice, adding
that the government and the Pemra should regulate themselves.
Kamran
Khan questioned how should they defend themselves at a time when the
ministries of interior and defence are levelling serious allegations
against them?
Ansar Abbasi said Pemra is the body to deal
with media legally and the ministers criticising the media are not in
apposition to do so. He said Pemra should hear the ministries. He said
justice should done with them (media) and the Ministry of Defence. He
said if an assurance for such a justice is made, then they should fully
submit to the law. He said they could go to the independent judiciary in
case of any injustice.
Abbasi said there should be no
conflict between military and civil government portraying his or others’
statements on Geo TV. He said some channels are stocking fire. He said
he heard at a channel that the prime minister is siding with Geo TV but
the interior minister and some other people are on the other side.
Ansar
Abbasi has said that a divide is being created because of them but for
them, national interest is supreme. He said they would never want that a
dark environment is created because of them in the country. He said
they should submit to the law as they believe in institutions. He said
those who oppose should put up all their complaints to Pemra. He added
fire is being stocked by wrong interpretations of their statements and
these issues should be brought before the institutions concerned